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Welcome to Straight White American Jesus.

My name is Brad O'Neishie, our show's host and a partnership with the Cap Center at UCSB.

And I have today with me a return guest, someone who I really had the pleasure of getting to know over the last year, who actually lives in close enough proximity to me that we can get together in person sometimes and talk about all things related to religion and politics and everything else.

And that is Ryan Stoller. So Ryan, thanks for coming back.

You're very welcome. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk about what we're going to talk about.

It is fun, fun and harrowing, I would say, and you, I just want to make sure everybody knows who you are.

You were here before and talked about your experience as somebody who was homeschooled from kindergarten all the way to high school graduation.

You're writing a book on homeschooling and the homeschooling movement.

You're also writing a book on child liberation theology.

So you're an author, you're an activist, you're work on homeschooling the episode you did with us was one of our most popular episodes.

And so, you know, folks were fascinated and very interested in what you had to say there.

But today we're doing something a little bit different. And you had this idea and we talked it over at coffee and I was like, we got to do this.

And that was the fact that as many people know, Brittany Spears is in a legal battle to end her conservatorship.

She's been in under, I should say, a conservatorship since 2008.

She had a kind of a very famous public breakdown.

You know, some of you will remember the images of her shaving her head and public and these kinds of things.

And, you know, at that point, her father was able to institute this conservatorship where he has basically control over her finances and lots of other things of her life.

All of that's been made very public and there's a movement to free Brittany. I'm sure many of you out there will be familiar with some of the things though about this story are missing.

And that is namely the religious element. So before we go there and we get into the very evangelical and ex evangelical parts of this.

Is there anything I missed Ryan about just the sort of like Brittany Spears conservatorship saga that people have really sort of latched on to over the last six months or so.

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