Hi, this is Dave Hanagraf, the producer of the Hank Unplug podcast and the host of a new podcast called A Commitment to Reality.

Today, you're hearing a preview of a conversation from a commitment to reality.

On this show, I sit down with the same types of guests that you've become accustomed to hearing on the Hank Unplugged podcast.

Think the most interesting, informative, and inspirational people on the planet.

On this episode, I'm speaking with Frederica Matthews Green. To hear the full conversation,

search for a commitment to reality wherever you listen to podcasts.

I want to start by telling you a story. It has to do with podcasting. I listened to Tim Ferriss

and his podcast. An episode came through, and it was Tim Ferriss with Glenn Beck.

And I thought to myself, I don't want to listen to this.

I hate Glenn Beck.

And then I started to think, well, I don't really even know Glenn Beck, but I've seen him on TV. He's kind of angry looking and yelling or frantic about something.

I've seen his face plastered on books as I walk through the airport and he has this smarmy look.

And why would I listen to a podcast with Glenn Beck?

Well, but I did.

And an interesting thing happened.

I don't remember much of the podcast in terms of what they talked about or the substance.

But I remember thinking, wow, I had completely made a caricature of this person.

And some of that is his own fault because he's a public person and that part of that is a caricature.

A mask. Yeah.

But through the process of listening to him and his life, and I think that's the beauty of podcasts and conversation

period, person to person, is you start to realize more and more about somebody. You start to see

their humanity as opposed to the caricature. And as the process of listening to him played out this this idea of him started to change in my mind

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