Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

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And today on the show, we have Daniel.

And Daniel is an entrepreneur and was raised inside the church.

His journey into understanding the nature of fraud and its application

to religion started when he was excommunicated from his church for exposing sexual abuse. This has led him

to ask the heart questions around his most deeply held beliefs.

He has found healing through conversations around faith and abuse.

He shares very personal stories with the hope that it will help others to find strength and healing.

Here's Daniel now. Here's Daniel now.

Welcome, Daniel Ice to the podcast.

I know that we're going to have a lot to talk about. So I have a feeling this will be part one of a two-parter. And I want you to be able to introduce yourself. But first, let me just say to people that I think one of the things that I like about this podcast and the people who come on is that they have different ways of looking

at indoctrination in different environments and through different means. And so this is one of those talks.

And so that's why I'm very excited about this angle. And I think it's something that affects a lot of

people and people might not actually

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