When I see the Democrat Party destroying life, destroying religious freedom, destroying America,

destroying our history, our memory, our symbols, when the church stands up in points with a very

clear finger, this is evil.

That's not the church being political.

That's the church being the church.

At the end of 2022, the outlet Catholic News Agency obtained a statement from the Vatican

ambassador to the United States.

In that statement sent out December 13th, the archbishop informed all U.S. bishops that

Father Frank Pavone was officially dismissed from the Catholic Church with no opportunity to appeal.

Father Pavone is a priest, an anti-abortion activist, as the director of Priests for Life, a prominent Catholic ministry focused on ending abortion. Through the years, he has at times been

considered a contentious faith leader, most notably for putting an aborted baby on an altar to show

the reality of abortion. Another point of friction with the church is that Father Pavone was a religious advisor to President Trump and a very outspoken supporter of the president as candidate and as president because of his commitment to limiting abortion in the country and protecting pre-born children. The recent Archbishop's statement was vague, though, on which actions actually resulted in Father Frank's defrocking, and the father's past communications with the Vatican haven't been clear either.

In our episode, Father Frank Pavone explains his struggles with his bishop over the years

that ultimately led to being kicked out of the church.

We'll also discuss differences between Catholicism and Judaism,

just how much freedom priests have to wade into politics

and if Democrats can be good Catholics.

Thank you. into politics and if Democrats can be good Catholics. Hey, hey and welcome. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. A reminder.

Some of this conversation at the end will be exclusively for our Daily Wire Plus members. If you're not a member yet, click the link at the top of this episode's description. Get the full conversation with Father Pavone with every one of our awesome guests. Father Provin, thanks so much for joining the show. Hey, Ben, good to be with you. Thanks for having me. So why don't we start with the obvious major controversy in November of 2022? Why don't you describe what went down in November of 2022? I'd never seen

anything quite like it with regard to your relationship with the Vatican. Well, this is really

the result of a 21-year battle. I started leading priests for life full-time 30 years ago, Ben,

and it's become within the Catholic community, the largest organization focused on ending abortion.

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