From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

You're under the floor, you're miced, you've got to make sure you've got cans on to hear what the music is or the guy's talking.

You have to be on a chair, raising your arm up.

You've got to have one, two, or three monitors to make sure you can see the character on camera.

It's not easy being green, and it's really not easy to make Muppet magic.

Muppet's legend Frank Oz, also known as Miss Piggy and Cookie Monster, among others,

is one of five Muppet veterans featured in the new documentary, Muppet Guys Talking.

Oz directed the film, and he was, of course, one of the Muppet guys talking, while his wife, Victoria LeBalm, produced it.

They tell us about why they wanted to get the old gang together again.

And the press shy Oz talks about his years working with Jim Henson, his directing career, and what Disney failed to do when it bought the Muppets.

But first on the news banter, the inclusion rider rides again.

Stay tuned. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my colleague in banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter.

Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

So the ongoing controversy about equity andany of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt. Hi there. So the ongoing

controversy about equity and parity in the aftermath of Me Too and the current attempts to

organize of Times Up, it manifests itself in myriad ways. And the most recent noisy way is this

argument about the Netflix series The Crown. It has come out that Claire Foy, who plays

the queen, made less money than Matt Smith, who plays Prince Philip. And that seems wrong to a lot of

people because the queen, you know, has a lot of screen time and a lot of heavy lifting to do.

And Prince Philip comes and goes and he's good, but that just seems unequal. Now, Prince Philip,

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