Frank Lyford - Heaven's Gate, Part 2: Breaking Away

Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation

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🗓️ 17 March 2021

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Episode 23: Lola Blanc & Meagan Elizabeth continue to interview Frank Lyford, former member of Heaven's Gate. In part 2, they discuss the growing number of red flags he began to notice after one of the leaders died, including talk of castration, and what led to his decision to finally, after 18 years, break away. He also tells the girls what it was like when he heard about the mass suicide on the news, how heartbreaking that was, the lessons he's learned as a result, and what his life is like now. IG: @trustmepodcast @oohlalola @vibehigherbitch Twitter: @trustmecultpod @ohlalola www.trustmepod.com If you have your own story about cults, high-control groups, manipulation, or abuse of power, shoot us an email at [email protected]. FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM: @trustmepodcast @oohlalola @vibehigherbitch OR TWITTER: @trustmecultpod @ohlalola

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0:00.0	If you think that one person has all the answers, don't!
0:14.3	Welcome to Trust Me, the podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the abusive power from
0:18.2	two souls who have actually experienced it, I am Lola Blanc, and I'm Megan Elizabeth.
0:23.0	And today is part two of our interview with Frank Leifert, survivor of Heaven's Gate
0:27.1	whom you've seen on the HBO documentary series about Heaven's Gate called Heaven's
0:31.2	Gate.
0:32.2	This week, we're going to discuss the moment that he would have escaped with his ex-girlfriend
0:35.8	if she'd asked.
0:36.9	The many red flags that were building up after one of the leaders died, including talk
0:40.5	of castration, and what led him to the decision to finally, after 18 years, break away.
0:46.0	Plus, his last conversation with his ex-girlfriend, Erica, and what it was like when he heard
0:50.8	on the news that there'd been a mass suicide, and he knew it was them.
0:54.2	His friends, his cousin, and the love of his life.
0:56.8	And the lessons he learned through the experience.
0:59.2	This one's a tough one, so I'm going to give you all a trigger warning.
1:02.1	There will be talk of suicide.
1:03.9	It will be sad, but it will be worth it, in my opinion, if you feel like sticking around,
1:08.5	and if you don't, then don't.
1:10.0	We won't get mad, or will we?
1:14.2	Could you just leave it playing with the volume off so we could get it counted as a
1:18.3	listen if you're not going to?
1:22.6	You don't have to be triggered, but maybe let your phone be triggered for you so that
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