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It's late. You're almost home after catching that concert you and your friend's snack tickets to

with MX months ago. You're all speechless from the last hour spent singing your hearts out,

and the only thing playing in the car is the last song of the night, on a full blast, in your head.

Admit it. You want it stuck there. The live version, you can't get anywhere else.

Looks like you're getting goosebumps all over again. When the night's a hit, that's when you're with

MX. American Express. Don't live life without it. Do you respect the group identity or do you

respect people as individuals? The moment that you shade over into that belief that it's the group

that you're respecting, that's when identity politics begins to really seriously conflict with

some basic principles of a liberal society.

Hello, welcome to Asa Clanchon, the box media podcast network. My guest this week is Francis

Fukuyama. He's very well known for the broad end of history hypothesis and book and article,

but he just wrote a new book called Identity, which is all about identity and the modern conception

of identity and how that feeds into identity politics and whether all of that is threatening the

stability of modern liberal democracies. This is a question and a conversation about one of my

favorite topics, which is whether or not all politics is actually identity politics. As always,

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