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Francis Chan has been a pastor for over 30 years. He's a New York Times best-selling author of

several books, including Crazy Love, Letters to the Church, and Until Unity. And currently,

Francis is in Northern California. He's teaching and discipling

the next generation of pastors and leaders. Francis, thanks so much for joining me again on

takeaways. Yeah, good to be with you, Kirk. Great to see you. Great to talk with you. I'm always so

inspired and encouraged by what I learn after talking with you, not only because you dug so deep into the Bible,

but your experiences are so rich in the way that you've served.

Well, Francis, for those who aren't as familiar with your story,

could you just recount for us the calling that you felt to step down as a teacher, pastor at a megachurch to begin

serving in a much different context, in much smaller church context, moving to San Francisco,

then going overseas. What did that sound like? Yeah, you know, I mean, my life has always been about like, okay, what do I see in the word?

Let me just try to obey this as well as I can.

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