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So I'm really thrilled this afternoon to be joined by Francesca Hogan, who I met at a conference.

I think it was a conference.

Is that what we?

I think that's what we call it.

It was a conference, but it was a conference on patriotism.

And there was a really unique assemblage of people there with a lot of varied backgrounds.

And you were there and you are a love coach.

Yes, yes.

That was a strange room to find myself in for sure, but I was glad to be there

and glad to meet you. But yes, I am a love coach. I help people with love. And I think one of the

things that was interesting about that weekend as the obvious, and we'll get into talking about

what you do, who you do it with. But love as a concept is elemental to the human condition,

and that's something that you talked about at the retreat.

And in the context of patriotism,

one of the things I've long said, and I said there that weekend,

is that we need a reminder in the country that you can't hate half the people in it

and love your country.

And love, whether it's with patriotism, whether it's at an individual level, is just

elemental to everything else in society working.

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