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Woman's Hour

Frances Ryan, Grooming gangs, Dressing up for work

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

For the last decade, Frances Ryan has been a columnist and reporter at the Guardian. She joins Nuala McGovern to discuss her new book - Who Wants Normal? The Disabled Girls’ Guide to Life. Part memoir, part manifesto, it explores six facets of life: education, careers, body image, health, relationships and representation, as well as how to survive life's bumps in the road.

Groomed: A National Scandal is a new Channel 4 documentary from award-winning filmmaker Anna Hall, looking at the issue of gang grooming. It puts the experiences of five women who have survived unimaginable abuse at the heart of a story that spans more than 20 years. Nuala speaks to Anna and Chantelle, one of the survivors featured in the film.

How much does what you wear to work matter? In today's I newspaper, the journalist and columnist Anniki Sommerville says she loves dressing up for work but her Gen Z colleagues laugh at her blazer. She joins Nuala along with Carolyn Mair, Fashion Business Consultant and author of The Psychology of Fashion.

Pioneering Maori scholar, Mākereti Papakura is to receive a posthumous degree more than 100 years after she began her studies at Oxford University. Born in New Zealand, Makereti is believed to be the first indigenous woman to enrol. Professor Clare Harris, Head of the School of Anthropology and Museum Ethnography tells Nuala about her life and work.

Transcript

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0:00.0

If a Banksy appeared on your house, you'd be sitting on a fortune, right?

0:07.0

At first you think you're gifted, but you're actually not.

0:10.5

This is a tale of two murals, Margate's Valentine's Day Mascara and the lowest off seagull.

0:17.3

And the true cost of free art for the people who have to live with it.

0:21.5

40,000 pounds cost per annum.

0:23.8

We didn't know what to do.

0:25.5

Nobody's turned up to say, we'll help you protect it.

0:29.0

The Banksy story.

0:30.3

When Banksy comes to town, listen on BBC Sounds.

0:36.0

BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts.

0:40.3

Hello, this is Neula McGovern, and you're listening to The Woman's Hour podcast.

0:45.4

Hello, and welcome to the programme.

0:48.0

In a moment, Anna Hall, on the film, she hoped she'd never have to make about grooming gangs.

0:54.3

Anna will be joined by Chantelle, who's one of the survivors of a gang,

0:57.9

who tells her shocking story of sexual abuse in the documentary Groomed,

1:01.9

which will air tonight on Channel 4.

1:03.9

So that in just a moment.

1:05.4

But also today we have the journalist Francis Ryan on her new book.

1:08.2

Who Wants to be Normal, The Disabled Girls Guide to Life?

1:12.6

It is part memoir, part manifesto, and I'm looking forward to you hearing her thoughts.

1:18.4

We'll also hear about the Maori woman, who is to receive a posthumous degree 100 years after she studied at Oxford University.

1:25.9

And a column today caught her eye.

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