Frances Haugen: How One Whistle Makes a Difference
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🗓️ 8 June 2023
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Just as Facebook was on the verge of becoming Meta Platforms, Inc. in late 2021, a scathing series of articles was published by the Wall Street Journal. The reporting was based on internal documents that detailed the ways Facebook’s platforms “are riddled with flaws that cause harm, often in ways that only the company fully understands.” The source for these internal documents — some tens of thousands of pages — became known as The Facebook Whistleblower. The name behind these revelations is ex-Facebook product manager Frances Haugen.
On this episode, Haugen reveals why she came forward, what she hopes to accomplish with her new book, The Power of One, and what she sees as the perils — and promise — of an ever-changing technology landscape that requires transparency to keep itself honest.
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| 1:08.4 | In September of 2021, the Wall Street Journal began to roll out a series of 11 stories that would have a major impact |
| 1:15.4 | on the way people think about technology companies. |
| 1:18.4 | The series was called the Facebook Files, and the source for the series, maybe one of the biggest journalistic treasure troves of the century, |
| 1:27.2 | was a former Facebook product manager named Francis Halgan. |
| 1:31.5 | Francis had only been at Facebook for a couple of years, but during that time, she became increasingly alarmed by a disturbing pattern. |
| 1:40.0 | The only data that we get out of these companies is how many users do they have, how much time do you spend, how many ads do you click on? |
| 1:46.0 | What's that revenue? |
| 1:47.2 | You don't get the societal costs that come as the consequence. |
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