From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment, the Home Edition.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

The last time I was joined by my guest, Fran Leibowitz, she had yet to log in as many hours as she has with Martin Scorses, that she first appeared in the documentary. Public speaking, she's now in the new Netflix miniseries, docu-series, pretend it's a city. It's always a pleasure to welcome Fran Lebris-Sysh. Fran, thank you so much for doing this.

You're welcome. There's so many things I was struck by in the show,

but one of the things is that you were talking about the architecture of Grand Central.

It just occurred to me that as an observer, as an audience, as so many things,

you really seem to be attracted to things and people with a point of view.

Yes, of course. Who loves committees?

But it's funny because you shy away from saying that you're kind of open-facedly autobiographical.

But I think there's so much of you that comes through work that watching that show,

I find myself hungry again to read your writing.

Are people saying that to you too now as they're watching the Netflix series?

Yes, people are saying that, and not that this is of general interest,

but according to my publisher, or according, people started calling me and saying

that they were trying to buy the Friendly But's Reader and were unable to buy it.

And so I had a conversation with my publisher. And it turns out that publishing, not just me,

not just Fran's book, is having a terrible problem publishing books because so many printers

are not working because they got COVID.

And so printing plans, of which are not a zillion, are understaffed, and it's such a skilled job that they're having trouble printing books.

I know that's not what you ask, but I think that's interesting.

So, I mean, it is interesting to me that, you know, this is a problem just at the time where more people might be reading more.

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