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Welcome back to the Fighter Potip podcast. I'm your host, Tucker Cinco Hamilton, and today we've got a remarkable conversation with two leaders who help shape the modern United States Air Force at the highest levels.

Former Chief of Staff of the Air Force, General Dave Goldfein, and former Secretary of the Air Force, Heather Wilson.

He's one of those rare leaders who has seen air power from the cockpit, the fight, and the highest

levels of command, which gives him a powerful perspective on leadership, accountability,

and the future of warfare.

She's one of those rare leaders who has operated across national security, higher education,

Congress, and Air Force leadership, which gives her a broad view of strategy, institutions,

and American power.

And now together they've written Get Back Up, a book that draws on lives of service,

leadership, and adversity to explore resilience, recovery, and the courage to rise again when it matters most.

This is not just a conversation about policy or bureaucracy.

It's a conversation about leadership, war, accountability, and the hard

human choices that sit underneath strategy, technology, and power. As our world races forward

into an era defined by AI, autonomy, and renewed great power competition, one truth remains.

Humans still matter. Together, Secretary Wilson and General Goldfein reflect on the moments that shaped

modern air power, the lessons earned in combat and in Washington, and the decisions that will

define the future of American power. This is a discussion about using the past to build the

future and about why character, judgment, and leadership still sit at the center of it all.

Please enjoy this conversation with Secretary Heather Wilson and General Dave Goldfein retired.

Get ready.

Fights on.

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