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Foreign Policy Live

FP at Davos: Defending the Cyber Frontlines

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

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4.1622 Ratings

🗓️ 25 January 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

FP Live host Ravi Agrawal kicked off a lively discussion on the new frontiers of cybersecurity at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. He was joined by panelists Samir Saran, president of the Observer Research Foundation; Matthew Prince, co-founder and CEO of Cloudflare; Andrius Kubilius, European commissioner for defense and space; Joe Kaeser, chairman of Siemens Energy’s supervisory board; and Mirjana Spoljaric Egger, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross. Suggested reading (FP links are paywall-free): Minxin Pei: China’s Secret to Controlling the Internet Rishi Iyengar: North Korea Does More Cyberspying Than You Think Dmytro Kuleba: The Fight For Ukraine Is Forging a New World Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal, Foreign Policy's editor-in-chief.

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This is FP Live.

1:10.3

So I just got back from the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.

1:16.0

I want to bring you a session that I moderated there.

1:19.7

It's about how the world can get better at defending against cyber attacks,

1:24.3

how to build rules of the road for something that feels so new and scary,

1:29.1

where it's hard to even know who the aggressor is. And the guests we convened included a great

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mix of tech CEOs, international law experts, and policy makers. But before I bring you that

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