Hey guys, it's Andrew Eger with the bulwark. You might have noticed there is a lot of anxiety around the economy right now. A lot of warning, lights flashing on various economic dashboards, a lot of people telling a lot of pollsters that they're worried about prices, that they're worried about jobs, that they're worried about a lot of different things. One person who at least says he is not worried about any of that stuff at all, President Donald Trump. In fact, Donald Trump

has taken recently to telling people that he thinks all of that stuff, all of that economic

anxiety, all of those warning signs and things like that. That's all kind of just some fake

nonsense cooked up by a conspiracy against him, a conspiracy to make people think the economy is a lot

worse than it is. It's such a rig system. So are you ready? Costs a way down. I'm joined with Will Salatan, who has a whole laundry list of times and places that Donald Trump has been making this case recently. How you doing today, Will? What's going on? Well, I'm doing fine, Andrew, but like Donald Trump thinks I'm doing better than I think I'm doing and he thinks everybody's doing a little

better better than they do. You know, we're all familiar with Trump being delusional about stuff like the

2020 election and obviously not enough Americans cared about that delusion. It wasn't relevant to them,

but it's a little different when the delusion is that you, Mr. and Mrs. America are feeling better

than you actually are,

which is kind of where we are right now. We had the elections last week, New Jersey, Virginia,

et cetera, and the Republicans lost. And what's happened since then is friendly anchors,

like Fox News anchors, have been trying to get Trump to acknowledge, like people are unhappy with the state of the economy and what he's going to do about it, what the Republicans are going to do about it. And he's not taking the bait, Andrew. So this started last week, the day after the elections, Brett Baer gets him in an interview and asks Trump, you know, what about losing these elections and people seem to be unhappy?

Here's what Bear asked.

You said that the shutdown and your name not being on the ballot were big factors.

You're the head of the party.

So obviously the policies are run on in these states.

Do you see that at all? or how do you read it?

Well, I do because, you know, we've done so much. You know, energy is way down. Look at energy. We're going to have $2 gasoline. I did that. That brings everything else down.

Groceries are way down other than beef.

Andrew, $2 gasoline. First of all, are you paying $2 for gas? Do you know anybody who's paying $2 for gas? My very basic understanding is that gasoline is actually a little cheaper than it was. This is like my, you know, I feel like I'm not spending as much to pay at the pump as I used to. But I feel like that is one very tiny indicator in sort of a sea of more troubling ones. I like it when he says that energy is way down. I mean, he does this a lot, right? I mean, he means gas. He means gas is down. Gas is cheaper. Energy, you know, more broadly speaking, is actually like sort of a big warning sign right now. It's one of those things I was talking about before with all of the electricity that, you know, AI is starting to suck up around the country. These grids are getting overburdened everywhere. People's, you know, home, electrical bills are starting to spike. Nevertheless, Donald Trump continues to say the energy is way down. What else? What else do you got for us here? Well, you know, first of all, on the energy thing, I paid just the barest attention to the election in New Jersey. It was all about energy prices. People's electrical bills are out of control, right? And like for Trump to say like, hey, everything's great on energy, first of all, the average price in the United States for a gallon of gas is $3. It's like, it's not $2. It's not, and Trump's been saying for a while it's two bucks. But the killer to me is when he says groceries are way down. I mean, look, the economic data is groceries are up, depending on the account,

two and a half to three percent since Trump became president. Well, since his election, right?

So, like, he's just wrong about the numbers. It's just a degree of denial that's like,

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