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Four years of war: can Ukraine continue to defy Putin?

The Story

The Times

Current Affairs, Daily News Podcast, News Analysis, Politics, News, Audio Storytelling, Uk News, Exclusive Interviews, Investigative Reporting, In-depth Journalism, Daily News, Long-form Audio, Global News

3.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Four years into Russia’s full-scale invasion, Ukraine is still fighting – but the strain is visible. How has the conflict changed since those first days of war? Why would a free and fair election in Ukraine be so difficult? And is peace even conceivable?


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Guests: 

  • Anthony Loyd, special correspondent for The Times.
  • Neo, Ukrainian drone unit commander.
  • Anastasiia Romaniuk, researcher based in Kyiv.
  • With thanks to our Ukrainian voices from the ground: Iryna Bortniuk, Pavlo Tkachenko, Natalia Zubar, Logan & Ostap.


Host: Manveen Rana.

Producers: Harry Stott and Julia Webster.

We want to hear from you - email: thestory@thetimes.com

Read more: War diary: love and desperation on Ukraine’s front line

Further listening: A new peace plan, and a critical moment for Zelensky

Clips: BBC

Photo: Photo: Paul Brookbanks, Getty Images.


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0:00.0

From the Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story. I'm Manvina.

0:07.0

It was the story of a simple, ordinary Ukrainian family in their own home, in their own country,

0:16.1

on their own soil, trying to escape Russian occupation.

0:20.7

Four years on, since the war in Ukraine began, we're all trying to make sense of the geopolitics

0:26.5

and the peace negotiations.

0:28.7

But as the veteran war correspondent at the Times, Anthony Lloyd, knows only too well.

0:34.8

It's often the stories of ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances that really tell the story of the war.

0:43.3

He's just come back from Ukraine and if you want to understand what's happening on the front line,

0:49.3

the tragic and graphic tale of this one little family is illuminating.

0:55.9

The couple's names were Valentina and Valerie Klochkhov.

1:00.5

They were in their early 50s.

1:02.0

They'd been married for over 30 years, and they were from the village of Krabowska.

1:06.6

And just before Christmas, a Russian infiltration group had managed to capture this village.

1:13.7

But not everybody had been captured by the Russians.

1:16.6

A handful of civilians hid in their cellars.

1:20.4

Valentina and Valerie Klochkoff amongst them.

1:24.5

Now, in January the 27th, driven by appallingly cold temperatures and hunger, Valentina and Valerie decided to escape.

1:34.0

And what happened next was witnessed by Ukrainian observation drones as they tried to escape and filmed too.

1:41.7

So the clips show Valerie and Valentina, first of all, leaving the village on foot.

1:46.5

They're then targeted by one Russian FPV kamikaze drone, which explodes nearby and wounds Valentina.

1:54.2

Valerie goes into an outhouse, he manages to get hold of the sledge, she comes back to his injured

1:58.2

wife, puts her on the sledge, she's sitting up and very much conscious, and the clips show him dragging his sledge, she comes back to his injured wife, puts her on the sledge, she's sitting up and very

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