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One marriage therapist told me, Gary, I think 90% of divorces would be stopped if two people would start to wake up and say,

all right, God, how do I bless my spouse today?

Well, that's Pastor Gary Thomas, and he has some helpful insights for your marriage today

on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

Thanks for joining us.

I'm John Fuller. Gary is going to share

four secrets to having a closer relationship, either in a marriage or a friendship, and he has a lot

to say, so let's get into it. All right, and Gary's been on the show a number of times. He's a teaching pastor

at Cherry Hills Community Church right up the road here in Denver,

and he's a prolific author. Here now, Gary Thomas, speaking to our staff on Focus on the Family

with Jim Daly. That's what I want to talk about this afternoon, not just on marriage, although

we'll focus on marriage, but in our relationships, how to, how does becoming who God has called us to be

and doing what God has called us to do enrich our relationships? One of the ways I like to

describe it, I've never done this at a wedding, although I'd like to try one time, is you always say,

I do. To make it work, I'd like to say one time, as you always say, I do. To make it work,

I'd like to say, what if the couple could say, I do, and I will? It's easy on the wedding day

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