Maybe you grew up in church and you just kind of accepted what your parents believed.

That's what you believed.

At some point, though, you decided, this is really what I believe or not. I'm John Fuller joined by my focus colleague

Dr. Danny Werta and Danny for all of us we got to kind of make it ours when

did faith become real to you? I would say my teenage years 16 17 around the time

when my grandfather died just as death pointed towards heaven.

It was an amazing moment in our lives.

He was very weak.

And okay, so growing up, he was one of the strongest men I knew and as he was dying he was very

weak and he hadn't spoken for about a month or so hadn't sat up and in the moment of his

death he sat up and said hey Jesus is in the moment of his death he sat up and said,

hey, Jesus is in the room, he's come for me.

Oh my goodness.

And articulated it very clearly, very excited and died with a big smile. He had been fighting and fighting in that moment. He was able to actually speak, had a ton of strength, and then died and entered heaven.

And that spoke to me.

As a teenager, you go, no way, what just happened?

So you were there?

Actually my sister, my uncle told me the story.

And it was an amazing story to hear. I wish I would have been there.

I knew my grandpa just loved Jesus.

But it had an impact. It had a huge impact. And then, you know, it

resets along the way. He's become more and more real. As I've become a husband and

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