Founding Fathers | The invention of the United States | 1
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🗓️ 19 May 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
How did a collection of desperate survivors, religious outcasts, and petty criminals become the architects of the world's most powerful nation? What does it mean to build a society on the language of liberty when that society is entirely dependent on enslaved labour? And are Americans still reckoning with a founding story that was never quite what it seemed?
Peter and Afua go back to the very beginning — from the disaster of Roanoke and the brutal early years at Jamestown, to the transatlantic slave economy that quietly powered the rise of New York, Boston, and Philadelphia.
00:00 Introduction — what America actually means
03:00 Roanoke and Jamestown — England's catastrophic first attempts
08:00 The colonial economy — slavery, sugar, and the triangle trade
14:00 New York's hidden history — one in five New Yorkers were enslaved
19:00 The contradiction at America's heart — liberty built on unfreedom
25:00 Who were the Founding Fathers — and who was left out?
32:00 Preview — Franklin and Madison up next
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| 0:00.0 | We are told that the founding fathers were the architect of modern liberty. |
| 0:04.0 | But as the US news cycle spins us around and around and around with Donald Trump, |
| 0:08.1 | we have to ask, what does America and the United States actually mean? |
| 0:12.5 | Today, we're looking past the sugar-coated myths. |
| 0:14.9 | From the earliest English settlements at James Town, where people could barely survive, |
| 0:19.7 | to the brutal reality of a colonial |
| 0:21.8 | economy built on the transatlantic slave trade. If there's one thing I know about America |
| 0:26.8 | Afro, it's that Americans love their heroes, and there are no greater heroes than the |
| 0:31.4 | founding fathers. So we're going to spend a few episodes looking at the men behind some of the legends. |
| 0:37.0 | We're going to start |
| 0:37.5 | today with Benjamin Franklin, the world's first media superstar. He definitely would have |
| 0:42.4 | had a podcast. And James Madison, the five-foot-four intellectual giant who believed that human |
| 0:48.0 | nature was too dangerous to be left unchecked. It's a story of radical ideas, staggering hypocrisy, and how a small group of |
| 0:57.2 | men managed to generate, perhaps, the most important geopolitical event of the last 500 years. Or was it |
| 1:06.0 | just a small group of men? We'll be discussing that too. Hello and welcome to a new episode of Legacy. I'm Peter Frank Aparne. |
| 1:14.6 | I'm Afwa Hirsch. |
| 1:15.6 | And this is Legacy, the show that explores the lives, events and ideas that have shaped our world |
| 1:20.6 | and asks whether they have the reputations that they truly deserve. |
| 1:24.6 | This is the founding fathers and the invention of the United States. |
| 1:34.0 | Thanks for joining us on Legacy today |
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