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Thrivetime Show | Business School without the BS

Founder Mode | AirBNB Founder, Brian Chesky + "Founder Mode At Is About the Thing Principle to Be In the Details. Great Leadership Is Presence Not Absence. It Is Not Good to Hire Great People & Trust Them to Do Their Job."

Thrivetime Show | Business School without the BS

Clay Clark

Business, Entrepreneur, Thrivetime, Businessschool, Smallbusiness, Entrepreneurship

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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0:00.0

The founder mode at its core, though, is about the single principle to be in the details.

0:07.9

Great leadership is presence, not absence. So to go back to my lesson, it is not good for you to

0:15.0

hire great people and trust them to do their job. How do you know that they're doing a good job

0:19.5

if you're not in the details? And by the way, I'll use a golf analogy, not that I play golf, but I've taken a couple lessons once,

0:26.6

and the instructor, and I suck at it, but the instructor, like, they watch your golf swing.

0:31.6

And over time, the ideas you build muscle memory and the golf structures need to be it all day and that's what it should be like at a company you should start in the details and no one does this everyone hires executives and they

0:43.2

let them do their thing and then they find out a year later the whole thing has been wrong they've hired

0:48.7

people they shouldn't have hired and now you've got to get in the details and of course now their

0:53.5

confidence goes down. They always

0:55.4

inevitably leave the company. And we should actually do is start in the details, develop trust,

1:00.0

develop muscle memory, and then let go. So great leadership is presence, not absence.

1:05.8

You know the old saying, A players, hire A players, B players, Hires, Hire C players. I would like to amend it. B players hire lots of C players.

1:13.8

Not just a few, but a lot. Because those are the kind of people that like building empires,

1:19.5

but they're also the people, if you can't capably do your job, you don't hire people better

1:23.4

than you, and a person less capable of you can't do the job. So you need like three

1:28.1

incapable people because one incapable person can't actually do all the work. But now three

1:32.7

incapable people are just going in three different directions, creating all these meetings

1:36.3

and all this administrative tax. Every CEO, I think, with only a few exceptions, should

1:42.4

be the chief product officer of their company.

1:47.6

Because isn't the most important thing of a company to make a product and shouldn't the person knows the most about the product to be the CEO?

1:49.8

And yet, you are told to be separate from your product.

1:53.5

And I noticed this thing where there was more bureaucracy, there were these divisions.

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