do do do do do do do there we go my name's todd and this is kathy you got to get closer to

the mic sorry i'm here hello there you go um welcome back to zen parenting radio this is podcast number

i'm not quite sure what number because we don't know when this is going up but um why listen to

zen parenting radio because it's a podcast that will

help you feel outstanding. And who doesn't want to feel outstanding? And always remember,

what? Go. I was going to say, I do. Wait, I want to say this before you keep going. So when we

started this podcast, you guys, we used to share a microphone. And I don't know if you guys can tell if you

listened to like our first year. But today we're sharing a microphone again. We're kicking it back. Because we have three

guests on our podcast, which has never happened. So you guys are breaking history.

Breaking history. Whatever. Breaking records. Making history. Yes. Yeah, you're not breaking history.

That'd be silly. Always remember a motto, which is the best predictor of a child's well-being is a parent's

self-understanding. On today's show, we have a recurring guest. This is her second time on

the podcast, and her name is Susan McConnell.

Susan joined us, I don't know, a month or two ago. Go. No, you don't have to stop. I'll get in there.

Because you kind of did one of these. Her husband is Doug McConnell who did those long swims,

but Susan did all the hard work. Some of the hard work. Some of the hard work. And then we have

two new people that I just met, even though I probably, we walked the same

halls for eight years, so we probably chatted.

We just forgot about it.

Her name is Carolyn Osterhues, formerly known as Carolyn Ryan, and her son, Kyle Osterhuez,

who's here.

So say hello.

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