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Hey, I'm Alexis Madrigal.

And I'm Mina Kim, and this is Forum and Focus, a show where we bring you the week's most compelling

conversations recorded live on our radio show forum on KQED in San Francisco.

Mina, you are doing something a little different this week.

Yeah, basically my guest was Brooke Mini Kalamaki of the New York Times who had done this piece

about her experience shadowing a woman who lived out of her car with her college

age daughter in Kirkland, Washington, just outside of Seattle.

And, you know, we invited listeners if they themselves live out of their vehicles and wanted to share their experiences.

We got a call from this guy named Paul, who is basically living out of his car at the age of 70.

And he was talking about how he didn't expect to be at this place when he was in his 70s, right?

And how he doesn't feel like there is a lot of recognition of the fact that the

unhoused population is graying in this way and needs a lot of support, different kinds of

support.

And the other thing that he said at the very end of his call was that it doesn't define him. His existence as an unhouse person in a car

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