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Hi, I'm Mina Kim.

And I'm Alexis Madrigal, and this is Forum and Focus, a show where we bring you some of our favorite

conversations recorded live on our radio show forum on KQED in San Francisco.

Yeah, and on this forum in Focus, we both got into some cool, like, music subcultures, right, Alexis?

We did, we did.

You know, we had on Penn Harshaw, who hosts a KQED podcast called Right Nowish, and, you know, he grew up in Oakland right at the height of what was called Haifi, this like high energy musical subculture, hip-hop but you know there's some

contradictions and some tensions that most people probably even if they know

what hyphy is and listen to the music haven't thought all the way through so his

series is called heifie kids got trauma and it's really about you know murders

peaked in in Oakland in the same year that the music peaked.

And Penn is really the only person who really could tell the story in the way that he did.

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