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Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Savala Nolan's new book of essays grapples with almost everything.

Patriarchy, God, bodies, Thomas Jefferson, violence, the sweetness of love, divorce,

slave-owning ancestors, paying for sex, linear time. This is a mind alive to the possibilities

both within and in conversation with her own experiences of the world. She's thinking it through

and pushing towards a more radical freedom for black women, for all women, for everyone. She joins us here in the studio. Welcome back, Zabala. Oh, thank you, Alexis. It's such a thrill to be here, especially on publication. Publication. Yes, the new book is out today. It's Good Woman, a reckoning. Let's talk about this reckoning right off the bat.

Resume writer, attorney who worked at the Obama White House, leads a social justice center at

UC Berkeley Law School. This really sounds like the resume of someone who has been good.

And also, it has kind of worked out in the measurable ways. So what do you need to reckon with

here? Thank you. Before I answer that, thank you for mentioning it was the Obama White House.

That is a very important detail to me. Yeah, I have certainly checked a lot of the boxes

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