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A picture might be worth a thousand words, so just imagine how much a picture

book should be worth. But the truth is that picture books are often not afforded the respect

of being real literature. Bay Area author Mack Barnett is trying to change that. He's now the

Library of Congress's National Ambassador of Young People's Literature, and today as part of our week of conversations with Bay Area writers and artists, we listen

back to this interview with Mac about how to look at picture books.

You'll never see Good Night Moon the same way again.

It's all coming up next right after this news. Thank you. Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Consider the picture book, or perhaps behold, the picture book.

This is what author Mac Barnett and a merry

band of co-conspirators want us to do. He and his frequent collaborator John Clausen write a newsletter

that's called Looking at Picture Books, and it is a mind-expanding examination of the craft of this work.

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