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Hello everyone, welcome to Red Men TV in a special Liverpool library. I'm joined by

soon to be published author John Machen for this one. John thanks very much

for joining me. I've had the pleasure of reading the book. I thoroughly

enjoyed it, which was wicked. I did it in one sitting and to be honest with you.

Could have been a bit longer mate.

But you know, just like George R. R. Martin takes about 15 years a book.

I think you've, you've taken about 40. Yeah, 40, yeah. Where did it come from?

What the book or the 40 years? Oh, the book first and then how did going to get to 40 years.

Well I'd always, I'd always written anyway, I'd always written all sorts of things, but I'm not really a great finisher of things.

And then there was a competition and I think it was like a Richard and Judy competition. a

Richard and Judy competition. So I thought there's a like a deadline, you know,

there's something to aim for.

And so I just, I started fiddling around with the two kids.

That sounds terrible, doesn't it fiddling around with the two kids?

Someone who makes in child protection all his life.

I had started with these two kids and just dialogue and the book

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