Welcome to Axis Pro Radha, where we usually take just 10 minutes to get you smarter on the collision of tech, business, and politics, but this is a special eight-minute pop-up edition about a controversy that has embroiled the political and media world.

Fortune magazine's decision to invite Kristen Nielsen to be interviewed at its annual Most Powerful Women Conference.

We're going to speak today with Fortune reporter Mikhail Levram, who co-chairs the conference,

but first, a few things to know.

First, Nielsen is President Trump's former Secretary of Homeland Security and signed the order

that approved separating thousands of undocumented immigrant children from their parents.

Two, Nielsen's involvement in the conference was met by an online petition, asking Fortune

to rescind her invitation, arguing that it enabled her to rehabilitate her image.

Three, some major speakers did drop out, including Hillary Clinton, singer Brandy Carlisle,

and Dream Hampton, who produced the surviving R. Kelly documentary.

And fourth, Fortune kept her on the program, although changed her appearance from a panel

to a one-on-one interview with a PBS reporter.

That interview took place earlier today, and in short, she was asked all the tough questions

and was unapologetic.

So now we are joined by Mikhail Levram of Fortune.

So, Mikhail, internally of Fortune, what was your first sign that this was going to become,

let's say, problematic?

You know, I would say that we definitely understood from the beginning when we put her on the

agenda and on the program that obviously there would be people who would not agree with it. I think what we thought,

though, was that there would be protests and backlash against Nielsen, Secretary Nielsen,

herself. I don't think we fully anticipated and realized that there would be backlash against us

and our decision as journalists to put her on the program. But, you know, I would say over

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