Forrest Smith | Heal Chronic Pain Without Drugs: Red Light Photobiomodulation Therapy + How To Live A Pain Free Life (Kineon)

Wellness + Wisdom Podcast

Josh Trent

Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 913 Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2023

⏱️ 103 minutes

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Wellness + Wisdom | Episode 585

Is laser therapy the solution to chronic pain?

Forrest Smith, CEO and Co-Founder of Kineon Labs, joins Josh Trent on the Wellness + Wisdom podcast, episode 585, to share how photobiomodulation can revolutionize chronic pain healing, why chronic pain is a sign of inflammation, and how laser and red light therapy work for healing joint pain and damaged tissue.

"If you've got a fire in your kitchen and the house is burning down, you have inflammation and pain in your joints. The pain is the signal, the sound coming from that fire alarm. The fire in the kitchen is the inflammation. And what we see people doing with with opiates and anti-inflammatory drugs, is taking the batteries out of the fire alarm so that they can't hear this anymore but the fire's still going." - Forrest Smith

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In This Episode, Forrest Smith Uncovers:

[01:30] LED + Laser Light Technology for Chronic Pain

Forrest Smith
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Why we should listen to our pain instead of numbing it with drugs.
The reason why older people don't trust new technology.
How the healthcare system should focus on prevention.
Dementia is caused by inflammation.

[10:40] How to Measure Physical Pain

Lauren Colletti
The tests you can take to optimize your health.
WAVi Brain Scan
Why standard pain measurement is subjective.
Electromagnetic scans are currently the most efficient tool to measure pain.
The technology Kineon has developed and why they believe silicon photomultiplier is the future.

[18:30] Chronic Pain = Chronic Inflammation

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How lack of movement is correlated to depression and chronic anxiety.
Why pain is just a signal of chronic inflammation.
How traumatic tissue damage causes local chronic inflammation.
What the shear strength test measures.

[25:45] The Science of Photobiomodulation

Why people shouldn't correlate their pain with their age.
The difference between getting sunlight and photobiomodulation.
How most red light therapy devices are not efficient in treating joint pain.
The relation between blood vessels and inflammation.
Why very high and very low oxidative stress is not good for you.

[33:45] The Benefits of Laser Therapy

The difference between chronic and acute inflammation.
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Why the dosage of photobiomodulation devices is important.
The purpose of photobiomodulation panels.
How Kineon helps you remodel soft tissue and increase your cell stems.

[41:50] How Kineon Changes Lives

How they monitor tissue healing with Kineon.
The short-term and long-term effects of using the device.
Exercise brings oxidative stress to your body in a healthy amount.
Why Forrest loves hearing the stories of people whose life was changed using Kineon.
How they stay true to their mission.

[51:00] Are You Self-Sabotaging Your Wellness Journey?

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How we unconsciously sabotage ourselves.
Why medical professionals love using Kineon.
How healing yourself can help heal the world.
How chronic pain takes away your power.

[01:00:30] How to Use Kineon for Best Results

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How Kineon helps heal edema.
Why remodeling soft tissue takes time.
How often you should use Kineon to achieve results.
Laser therapy increases collagen production and helps heal scars.

[01:09:15] Healing Scar Tissue with Laser Therapy

How Kineon can heal your old tissue damage.
Why the blood flow in old scars is lower.
You can measure blood flow using your phone and Kineon.
Unpacking if technology can potentially heal on a level we never even imagined.
Many behavioral pathologies are based on metabolic health.

[01:17:05] Laser Technology Evolution for Health + Wellness

How remote photobiomodulation works.
The new Kineon device using Metabolomics that will be released soon.
Why laser technology is getting cheaper.
The reason why Forrest sees laser therapy as an alternative to pharmaceuticals.

[01:22:05] The Current Situation in China

Why Josh believes China is a focal point for demonic energy in the world.
Forrest's experience living in China for 20 years.
Why he enjoys living in Mexico now.
What has been happening in China since the pandemic.
How ghost cities were created in China.

[01:35:00] Creating a Change in The World

Why Forrest is optimistic about the future of technology.
How the overload of information makes it more difficult to filter it.
Turning optimism into empowerment and using information to change the world.
Why Kineon provides a money-back guarantee and customer support.

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Power Quotes From The Show

Tissue Damage Affects The Heart

"There was a 3,500 player study with the NFL players. 50% had ACL tears, 50% didn't. The 50% that had the ACL tears had a greater than 50% increase in severe cardiovascular disease. You have increased chronic inflammation in that joint almost forever after that traumatic tissue damage that you have with the injury and then the surgery. And it impacts and impairs your cardiovascular endothelial tissue." - Forrest Smith

Healthcare Is Actually Semi-Care

"The most profitable way to run a pharmaceutical company is to keep people in a state of semi-health, provide them some benefits, but never get them well. The pharmaceutical industry has spent billions of dollars developing different solutions that would keep people in that most profitable role of the commercialization, which is in semi-health and semi-sickness. That's the most valuable customer to have. What's not a valuable customer to have is somebody that you can provide preventative measures to." - Forrest Smith

Inflammation Impacts Your Entire Body

"When you measure the temperature of the muscle above the unhealthy joint, it's 1 to 2 degrees colder than the one above the healthy joint. That's severely impacting the amount of oxygen and blood delivery to that tissue. Local inflammation impacts degrading tissue, tearing down your cartilage, making you have worse outcomes from a mobility standpoint. And then you go regional and you look at the muscle tissue and it's getting worse blood delivery, worse oxygen delivery. And you go systemic and you look at endothelial cardiovascular tissue and the sheer strength is dropping. This is something that's impacting you across all of these different parts of your body." - Forrest Smith

Movement + Mental Health

"When you can't or don't move, your joints just get worse and worse. And it's extremely highly correlated to depression, increased chronic anxiety, and a lot of neurological impacts because of lack of movement." - Forrest Smith

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About Forrest Smith

Forrest Smith is the CEO of Kineon Labs. He is a dynamic entrepreneur and esteemed leader in the tech hardware industry, bringing to the table an impressive 20-year track record of creating and scaling successful startups. His career trajectory at Kineon Labs stands as a testament to his unwavering optimism and innovative approach in the field of health and wellness technology.

An avid sports enthusiast, Forrest's competitive spirit was honed on the fields of Atlanta, where he played various sports and continues to actively participate in rugby matches and CrossFit training. This athletic passion was the catalyst for the conception of the Knee+ enhanced light therapy device, a key offering from Reviiv Light that embodies his commitment to health and fitness.

From the age of 14, Forrest has cultivated a deep fascination for Chinese culture and language, a passion that has grown into fluency and profound professional expertise in the Asian market. His 18 years of experience in startup creation and executive management in Asia have been marked by considerable success.

In 2000, Forrest embarked on his first entrepreneurial journey in China with a fabric-sourcing company, which was later acquired in 2002. Over the next decade, he demonstrated his exceptional aptitude for business development and leadership, founding and directing a series of companies, including Source Pro Asia, August Vale, and Illumitron. Each venture flourished under his guidance, leading to acquisition by larger corporations, such as Wilway Holdings and Cooper Lighting.

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0:00.0	The pain is just the signal and chronic pain is generally there when it's associated with these type of joint pain issues when it's married to chronic inflammation.
0:07.7	If you've got a fire in your kitchen, the house is burning down. You have inflammation in your joints, you have pain. The pain is that signal is that sound coming from the fire alarm the
0:16.1	fire in your kitchen is the inflammation and what we see people doing with drugs
0:20.6	with opiates with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs is taking the batteries out of the
0:26.2	fire alarm so that they can't hear this anymore but the fire is still going.
0:29.6	One of the things to think about with photobimodulation is that much like pharmaceuticals we're trying to trigger specific responses from the body.
0:38.0	When you have chronic inflammation, your body's trying to trigger things.
0:42.0	It's just not being effective at that. We just make your
0:44.1	chronic inflammation more effective at what it's doing so that it goes away.
0:47.6	We see it as an alternative to pharmaceuticals for pain and inflammation.
0:50.9	It's a coach that trains the body in that acute sight to heal itself and it does it in a way
0:55.8	where maybe it would take longer or maybe it would never happen at all without the light actually
1:00.4	coming in.
1:01.4	One of the things that really picks me up on a daily basis is the stories we hear from our users.
1:06.0	It's things like I've seen my wife walking through the grocery store again and she hasn't walked through the grocery store.
1:12.0	She's been in one of those little carts for 10 years,
1:13.6	and she can walk again.
1:14.5	And it's just, it's amazing to hear that.
1:16.6	We set out to solve these problems,
1:18.7	and we're seeing that on a daily basis,
1:20.4	really with people, their lives are changing because we're doing what we came to do and that
1:26.3	means success.
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