I'm Jonathan Cape Heart and this is Cape Up.

Derek Black comes back to the podcast.

You'll remember that Black is the godson of David Duke.

His father is the creator of the white nationalist website Stormfront, and Black is the subject of a book

by the posts Eli Sazlo entitled Rising Out of Hatred, The Awakening of a former white nationalist. I invited Black back

to put the January 6th insurrection at the US Capitol by white pro-Trump supporters

into greater perspective.

He talks about the parallels to the 2017 Charlottesville March,

but he issues this warning.

I think that we should not get too cocky actually about the level of consequences that they're facing.

Hear his explanation on this and how Kuanon fits into the far right dynamic with white nationalism

right now.

Derek Black, welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for coming back.

Thanks for having me on, Jonathan.

It's good to be here. So the events of January 6th, the

insurrection of the U.S. Capitol, is still, I mean, what happened there is still sort of unsettling to me as an American,

certainly as a black American seeing a just wave mob of white people storming

the citadel of American democracy. I would love for just as the first

question your perspective, your view of what happened on January 6th and why did it happen.

Right. I think in some ways it was fairly predictable and I think not in a deeply

introspective way or you need expertise I think it was somewhat

predictable that we could see this building over years and in other ways quite

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