From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

Producer Scott Rudin's mental and even physical bullying has long been an open secret in Hollywood.

Now those who live through it are speaking out publicly about what they experienced.

It's wartime, you know?

When you're there, all you're thinking about is how you survive it.

Calling me stupid and stubborn and selfish, saying no one would ever want to work with me again.

When he fired me, he said, you ruin everything you touch.

Evan Davis, Max Hoffman, and Eileen Clumhouse are part of the recent wave of former Rudent

employees going on the record about their ex-bosses behavior following an expozy in the

Hollywood Reporter.

They remember being yelled at, belittled, and gaslighted, and they call out the stars who have been

silent, even as other outlets published more allegations of Rudin's workplace abuse.

But first on the banter, for some reason people are hiring rage coaches.

Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter, Matt Bellany.

Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

So we have recently seen a long gestating article in the LA Times about ICM. We'd heard about it for a long time.

As fate would have it, it was published not long after the Hollywood Reporter published

its piece about Scott Routon, which set off a whole round of other pieces in our show today,

talking about Scott Ruden and his behavior. And now this ICM article goes at this agency, the smallest of the

big four, but they have important clients, including Jonda Rimes, notably, who's, you know, a times up

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