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Welcome to the Untold Story podcast, everybody.

I'm Martha McCallum.

Great to have you with us this week.

Obviously, a lot of huge developments as we see this push by President Trump to try to come to a deal to end the Ukraine war

that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

So a lot of world leaders convening at the White House this week, Emmanuel Macron of France,

Kier Starrmer of the United Kingdom.

So we had a conversation with former Prime Minister

Boris Johnson, who had just been on the ground in Ukraine. He's been there several times throughout

the war to get his thoughts on what he thinks of this deal, the role that Europe would play,

and the minerals arrangement between the United States and Ukraine.

Great to be with you, Martha.

So tell me what your reaction was from what you saw and heard in Kiev over the last few days about this agreement and what the feeling is there.

I found a population in Ukraine absolutely determined to fight on and to win.

And, you know, I think of all the lies that are currently being told about the war, the origins of the war,

one of the most egregious is the idea that Putin is somehow winning or is fated to win. I can tell you Putin is having a terrible

time. In the last year, he's captured probably 0.5% of the Ukrainian landmass, and he's cost

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