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Fareed Zakaria GPS

Former Palestinian Negotiator on Trump’s Plan to ‘Take Over’ Gaza

Fareed Zakaria GPS

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4.32.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Today on the show, guest anchor Bianna Golodryga is joined by Yaroslav Trofimov, the Wall Street Journal’s chief foreign affairs correspondent, to discuss President Trump’s call with President Putin, and the potential for peace talks that exclude Ukraine. Then, Bianna speaks with Alexander Gabuev, director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, about how this is playing out in Moscow.    Next, former Palestinian negotiator and senior fellow at the Washington Institute Ghaith al-Omari joins the show to discuss Trump’s plan to “take over” Gaza, and how Egypt and Jordan are responding.    After that, Quinta Jurecic, senior fellow at Brookings, speaks with Bianna about whether the Trump administration will comply with the various court orders blocking some of their more controversial actions, and whether the US is in the midst of a constitutional crisis.    Finally, The Atlantic’s CEO Nicholas Thompson joins to discuss Elon Musk’s unprecedented influence on the Trump administration and threats to freedom of the press in the United States.    GUESTS: Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof); Alexander Gabuev (@AlexGabuev); Ghaith al-Omari; Quinta Jurecic; Nicholas Thompson (@nxthompson)  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is GPS, the global public square.

0:05.0

Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world.

0:08.0

I'm Bionna Golodriga, filling in for Farid, who is off this week.

0:12.0

Today on the program, almost three years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine,

0:16.0

President Trump wants to bring the conflict to an end, and he wants to do it on his terms.

0:21.5

I'll get the latest from the Wall Street Journal's Yardislav Threfimov,

0:24.6

and then ask the Carnegie Endowment's Alexander Gabuov how this is all playing in Moscow.

0:29.7

Then another highly controversial Trump plan to displace all Gazans,

0:34.0

sending them to live in Jordan and Egypt, and turn Gaza into a real estate development?

0:39.6

I'll talk to a former Palestinian negotiator.

0:42.7

Also, the rule of law in America is a constitutional crisis in the offing.

0:48.0

And an unelected official gutting large swaths of the U.S. government.

0:52.5

What to make of Elon Musk's unprecedented power?

1:03.8

For three years now, the U.S. has worked to isolate Russia, both diplomatically and financially,

1:11.3

for its war on Ukraine. But now, in a stunning policy shift, we're seeing the Trump administration

1:15.9

actively engage Moscow with the aim of ending that war. CNN reports the President Donald

1:21.6

Trump's team is set to meet its Russian counterparts in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

1:26.6

It's still unclear whether Ukrainian officials

1:28.4

will attend, though the U.S. has stressed that European allies will not be invited.

1:33.9

Joining me is Yardislav Therfimov, the Wall Street Journal's chief foreign affairs correspondent.

1:37.8

He is in Munich, Germany, where the leaders had gathered for the annual Munich Security Conference.

1:42.3

He's also the author of a fantastic new novel, No Country for Love, set in 1930s Soviet Ukraine.

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