Here with AJ Hawk, former Green Bay Packer. Obviously, we're C.S.O. Sports, so we're out of Chicago.

So it's my duty to go around to anyone that either played for the Packers. But this is perfect. I mean, the Bears finally are showing up in this rivalry. So I have to flex. I mean, a little bit. You got to give me this opportunity. I know you were on the right side of it for some time. But how do you see this?

Because it's interesting now that this rivalry feels like it's getting amped up a little bit. know you were on the right side of it for some time, but how do you see this?

Because it's interesting now that this rivalry feels like it's getting amped up a little bit. I mean, I think it's good, honestly. Like a rivalry needs to be a lot of good back and forth. I don't want the Packers to win. I think, you know, I don't know what my record would be against Chicago. I was in Green Bay nine years. Probably pretty good. But it's probably pretty good.

But, yeah, we had, I mean, had Brett Farven and Aaron Rogers had some good quarterbacks in there.

Sure.

That's the biggest thing.

But Lovey in there.

That's the biggest thing.

But Lovey was there, too.

So there was a little bit of all. Right. And Erlacher and Briggs. All those guys were awesome. Grossman was awesome for a while. Jay Coutler. were like, they were really good when I was there too.

So we're kind of back to that.

Yeah, I think it's good.

Any rivalry, you need them both to be good, I think.

And, I mean, the Ben Johnson, the floor, all of it is like, I think it's all great for football. Yeah, that was pretty funny, right? You see the handshake and the flex on each other. We've kind of gotten past that a little bit in sports. Everybody's like trading jerseys after games. But these two guys, we don't like each other

and we're not afraid to say it.

Yeah, I think maybe, yeah, they need that. Like, rivalry games need that. It doesn't hurt. And they'll be, I'm sure they respect each other and there'll be great friends eventually someday and hang out maybe. But right now when you're one's coaching the Bears, one coach the Packers, like, might not be the most cordial situation every time.

Well, and don't you think with college, the landscape with NIL and Transfer Portal, like, rivalries are starting to dissipate in college, so like we need them somewhere. Yeah, hopefully it all starts to come back. Like, yeah, maybe it's, I don't know, hopefully college, colleges don't, they don die the robberies, but yeah, it's definitely going to be different with guys jumping around teams. But yeah, you're right. In the NFL, these, when I got to Green Bay, Mike McCarthy did a great job of explaining and showing to us, like, how big of a deal, the Packers, Bears, rivalry, showing us clips in film from way back in the day and how, like everything that goes into it. And again, this is a, this is a special thing to be a part of. So I think players on both sides, I hope they understand. I'm sure they do. It definitely, when you watch them play, it seems like that. They understand the magnitude of this whole rivalry. Do you feel like the linebacker position is kind of caught in the middle right now of

where when the reason I say that as passing was like taking over the universe, you know,

with Peyton and Brady at the end of their career, the numbers were starting to get insane.

Now the run game seems to be coming back in the NFL.

And you know how NFL trends can be.

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