I'm Audie Cornish and this is the assignment.

And at this point, it's common to hear people, especially women, talking about having imposter syndrome.

I know I've done it, but I did not expect to hear that from a woman who was once ahead of state.

You worry, you worry about being exposed, you worry about failure. You know, I think probably what I've

learned over time is it doesn't go away. This is the right, Honorable Dame Jacinda Ardern,

former Prime Minister of New Zealand. She's basically like the Barack Obama of New Zealand,

but imagine if Obama took office at age 37 and then had a baby in office.

So Ardern had a lot of doubters.

She was essentially forced to turn doubt into a source of power.

You know, because what do we do to overcome a confidence gap we prepare?

We seek advice.

We talk to experts.

And actually, that can lend itself to being more decisive in your decision making, having more clarity when it comes to the moment of taking on a role, and having more humility.

So over time I've come to learn that, it's actually brought me traits that I found incredibly useful in my leadership.

Like Obama, Justin Trudeau, and other progressive, leaning world leaders, she's now out of office, but not out of politics. The last

few years, she's been teaching a new generation about leadership at Harvard and at Oxford

University's Blavatnik School of Government, where I met her for this conversation. I'd watched her new

documentary called Prime Minister. She's also published a memoir this summer called A Different

Kind of Power. And so that's what we talked about. In an era of strongman politics, what would

a different kind of power even look like?

So if you're used to seeing kind of a bold, brassy, defiant, I'd say sometimes not just confident, overly confident, you know, a bit of ego in there.

Then if we see someone who is not doing that, then we think that person will not survive.

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