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Hi, I'm Ravia Grual, Foreign Policy's Editor-in-Chief. This is FP Live. We talk a lot about Iran on this program,

and rightly so it's been in the news, but we don't often hear from Iranian leaders. I wanted to

change that. And so I invited Javad Zarif to come on the show. If you look at Iranian foreign policy over

the last 15 years, you will almost always find the fingerprints of one man, Zarif. He was

foreign minister from 2013 to 2021, and he was also vice president from August 24 to March of this year.

Zarif negotiated and orchestrated the JCPOA, the joint comprehensive plan of action,

or the Iran nuclear deal, that went into effect in 2015.

In the 2010s, Zarif was a familiar talking head explaining Tehran's point of view,

but there was also a constant tension here.

For the West, he was the voice of the Islamic Republic, but at home, he was a reformer.

Every time he negotiated with the West, he was also negotiating at home,

trying to hold off the hardliners who didn't think a nuclear deal was worth having. Maybe who didn't even think it was worth

talking to the West. Zarif is out of favor now, but he's still quite influential and well

connected and can also speak a bit more freely now as an independent analyst.

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