Well for more on the verdict and the legal fallout we're joined now by two

former federal prosecutors who've been following the trial. Jessica Roth of

Cardozo School of Laws in New York and Renato Mariati, an attorney in Chicago.

Good to see you both and I just want to start with each of you in turn.

I know we've talked about this before just to get your brief reaction to the historic news that we have today of the first former president now

convicted of a felony. Jessica why don't you begin? It is an extraordinary day.

This was the first trial of a former president charged with crimes

and therefore it is the first conviction of a former president charged with crimes.

I thought that the jury's deliberations, the speed with which the jury returned this unanimous verdict on all 34 counts, spoke to how they really didn't think this was a difficult case.

They asked for testimony and for jury instructions

to be read back to them, as William was saying,

that highlighted that they essentially

had no trouble finding that these records were false. that they were

essentially had no trouble finding that these records were false and what they were

interested in was finding out if these records were falsifying a conspiracy intended to further and conceal a

conspiracy to promote Trump's candidacy for office. That's what David

Packer's testimony went to most clearly and David

pecker's testimony corroborated Michael Cohen's account of essentially how

this conspiracy was launched so I thought it was very telling that they asked for

Pekker's testimony and that they asked for the jury instruction about

accomplice liability that is the mechanism that holds Donald Trump accountable

for the falsification of business records, even if it was done

...