Joining us in the WIBC studios, we have former FBI special agent.

Corey Grass, he spent 20 years in counterintelligence and counterterrorism.

It's Casey and Jim you're listening to on 93 WIBC.

So Corey, yesterday, Jim and I discussed this article.

Spyware once used by governments is now spreading to cyber criminals.

And I thought, well, we've got a guy.

We love it when we got a guy.

We got a guy.

And here you are.

So how big of a problem is it when

government-grade spyware tools leak into the hands of cyber criminals or just regular criminals?

Well, first I'll say, thanks for having me. I'm glad when you think of criminals, you think of me.

I'm not sure what that says about me, but I appreciate it. That type of technology is so prevalent these days.

It's crazy.

Like you said, it was a high-level use previously by higher powers that had access to it.

And now that it's worked this way down, I think it's kind of foolish for any of us in the United States.

I think our stuff is safe in any capacity because there are so many people in so many ways

trying to steal your information.

Okay.

Let's talk about some of the ways.

Okay.

Some of the things that you're skeptical of or you've seen or people need to be aware of.

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