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Book's called Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime.

Eric, I saw a statistic in there that I want you to explain to my audience.

In 28, losses to cybercrime could total $30 trillion. That's the size of the U.S. economy today.

Exactly. And in fact, if you just look at the immense growth in cybercrime, and this is

dark web cybercrime, forgetting all the other stuff that's on the dark web, but just dark web cybercrime,

it's already the third largest economy on Earth. So it goes U.S. China, and it would go Germany

and then Japan, but it's the dark web if it had a GDP, and it's growing at such an incredible rate

that, yes, by then it could be around $30,000. $30 trillion. $30 trillion.

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