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The James Altucher Show

Former FBI Agent, Eric O’Neill on Spies, Lies, and the Cyber Wars We’re Already Losing

The James Altucher Show

James Altucher

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4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

A Note from James

Oh my gosh—I was scared after this one. In this episode, I learned about what’s really on the dark web… and the even scarier stuff on what’s called the deep web.

Eric O’Neill—who, by the way, is the former FBI agent who brought down Robert Hanssen, the biggest double agent in U.S. history—joined me for this conversation. Hanssen was the FBI’s top analyst on the Soviet Union, and at the same time, he was secretly working for the Soviet Union—for twenty-two years. Eric was the one who caught him. There was even a movie made about it—Breach (2007).

Now Eric has written a book called Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime: Cybersecurity Tactics to Outsmart Hackers and Disarm Scammers. And honestly, it’s terrifying what’s out there right now—the dark web, the black markets, the cyberattacks, the scams that most of us have no idea are happening in the background of our digital lives.

I’ll let Eric tell the stories.


Episode Description

In this episode, James talks with Eric O’Neill—former FBI counterintelligence operative and the man who captured the most notorious spy in U.S. history—about the unseen cyber battlefield shaping our world today. O’Neill explains how hackers, state actors, and scammers exploit human psychology far more than technology, and why every one of us is a potential target.

From the lessons of his undercover work tracking Robert Hanssen to the rise of ransomware and AI-assisted phishing, O’Neill offers both a chilling reality check and a practical guide for staying safe in the digital age. He and James break down how modern espionage has moved online—and what ordinary people can do to protect themselves before it’s too late.


What You’ll Learn

  • How Eric O’Neill captured Robert Hanssen, the most damaging spy in FBI history
  • Why modern cybercrime depends more on human manipulation than hacking code
  • What really happens on the dark web and how it fuels global criminal networks
  • How AI is changing the speed and sophistication of digital attacks
  • Simple but critical steps you can take right now to protect your data and identity


Timestamped Chapters

  • [00:00] Introduction — James sets the stage for a chilling conversation
  • [02:15] Who is Eric O’Neill? The story behind capturing Robert Hanssen
  • [07:45] The day Hanssen was caught — inside the FBI sting
  • [13:10] From spycraft to cybercrime — how espionage went digital
  • [17:30] The real difference between the dark web and the deep web
  • [22:00] Why hackers target people, not systems
  • [27:40] Social engineering and the psychology of manipulation
  • [32:15] AI and the next generation of scams
  • [37:55] How to recognize phishing and digital traps
  • [44:20] Why cybersecurity starts with self-awareness
  • [49:10] Lessons from the field — how espionage teaches us to think critically
  • [54:05] The future of cyber warfare and personal protection
  • [59:00] Final thoughts — the cost of complacency


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Today on the James Altiger show.

0:03.0

They asked me to go undercover to catch Hansen in the most unique case the FBI had ever run in a job that I was never trained to do.

0:12.0

It was a folder and in it was a cassette tape, a trash bag, and a bunch of letters.

0:17.0

And you try to catch the most notorious spy on earth with that. During the Cold War, he gave up our entire nuclear warfare plan and our continuity of government plan.

0:25.6

So the Soviets would have known where to hit us with nukes, where we were going to fire,

0:29.6

and where our nuclear arsenal was, and where we'd send the president, vice president, Congress, and everybody in politics.

0:35.6

That matters. Between the years

0:38.3

84 and 85, we call it the year of the spy in intelligence circles. We lost every single

0:45.9

asset in the Soviet Union, all of them. We had no spies. We were completely blind during the Cold War.

0:51.7

In the espionage game, we were losing the Cold War, which a lot of people don't know.

0:57.1

This isn't your average business podcast, and he's not your average host.

1:02.1

This is the James Altager Show.

1:23.1

Oh my gosh. I am scared. I learned in this episode all about what's really on the dark web.

1:29.9

Also, kind of the scary stuff what's on what's called the deep web. So Eric O'Neill, he was the FBI guy who brought down Robert Hansen, who was the biggest double agent in U.S. history, was an FBI guy,

1:37.5

the FBI guy in charge of researching the Soviet Union. And he was actually working for the Soviet

1:43.4

Union at the same time for

1:44.4

22 years. Eric O'Neill is the guy who brought him down. There was a movie made about it called

1:49.5

Breach in 2007. Anyway, he wrote the book, Spies, Lies, and Cybercrime, Cybersecurity Tactics

1:56.8

to Outsmart Hackers and Disarmed Scammers. And it is scary what is out there right now.

2:03.2

And I'll let Eric tell the stories.

2:12.0

Well, Eric, thank you for joining this.

2:15.1

Thank you for having me. It's an honor.

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