The Michael Berry Show.

Mark Morgan is the former director of the Customs and Border Protection.

He has become a relatively frequent guest on our show because literally nobody

speaks with more knowledge or passion about our border security than he does.

Welcome to the program, sir.

Michael, I appreciate you having me as always.

Mark, if you would start by explaining to folks who have a general sense that

something's wrong at the border, exactly what Title 42 was and why that mattered.

Yeah, those are two very important questions because there's a misunderstanding with

Title 42. It's not immigration policy, it's not a border security policy.

Title 42 is a public health policy and the owners of that are CDC.

And so back in March of 2020 under the Trump administration, I was there back as the

commissioner, CBP, as you said, we implemented that because the world was involved in a global

pandemic and it was designed to prevent the further introduction and spread of the global

infectious disease in the United States. We applied it. We applied it across the board

and in my opinion, it saved countless American lives.

And today, I think as your listeners know, we talk about it.

That public health order comes to a close today.

I'm actually in El Paso, as we speak right now, Michael.

And we're starting to see the revocations of not just the Indian of Title 42,

but the continuation of this administration's open border policy.

It literally is the wild, wild west out here.

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