Hey, it's Guy here. So sometimes forgiveness is pretty straightforward. You fight, you make up, you move on.

But then, at other times, it's not that simple. For example, when things like violence or loss or betrayal

contest our ability to forgive. Well, that's the idea we're exploring on the show today. It's one of

the most powerful episodes we ever produced when it originally aired back in May of 2017.

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I'm Guy Ross. And on the show today, ideas about forgiveness.

Asking for it, offering it, and why it can be so hard to forgive others and even ourselves.

And in this episode, we're going to hear some pretty difficult stories, stories that have to do

with loss and violence and betrayal. Stories that would test anyone's willingness to forgive.

So first of all, can you introduce yourself, please? Yes, this is Sue Clebold.

And you are talking to us from... Denver, Colorado.

So nearly 20 years ago, something happened that for Sue really shattered her world and her whole life.

And what happened is still with her all the time.

I'll hear a name that might be a family name of one of the victims.

Or I see an individual going down the street in a wheelchair. And they're about the age that

they would have been if they'd been injured. And I get a visceral reaction.

What Sue's talking about was a national tragedy. And if you're too young to remember hearing about it on the news,

you've definitely heard about it since. Here Sue, on the Ted Stage.

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