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The Brian Lehrer Show

Forgiveness After a Shooting

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Politics, News, News Commentary, Wnyc, Radio, Npr, Arts, New, Lerer, Media, Bryan, Nyc, Daily News, York, Public

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2024

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

The story of Deborah “Big Red” Cotton, an African American racial justice activist, who forgave the young Black men who shot her when they fired into a second line parade in New Orleans.

Transcript

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0:00.0

No, that's not the Brian Lairn Show theme. That's the TBC brass band playing a kind of

0:18.5

New Orleans-type version of the Whitney Houston song,

0:22.1

I want to dance with somebody. Recognize it. Why are we playing that? Our guest now, Mark

0:27.1

Hertzgard, sent us a link to that clip because it was the song that was playing at a parade

0:33.1

in New Orleans on Mother's Day 11 years ago, just before Mark and a group of other people were

0:39.7

hit by gunfire in a mass shooting, a Mother's Day mass shooting during a parade in New Orleans.

0:46.7

Mark went back to March in that same parade yesterday for this year as Mother's Day.

0:52.1

Some of you know the name Mark Hertz Guard.

0:54.3

He's usually on with us as environment correspondent for the Nation magazine,

0:59.6

and he's founder of the Covering Climate Now Media Consortium that inspired our climate

1:04.6

story of the week series on this show.

1:06.4

But this time, he'll tell us about his experience of being wounded himself in that mass shooting

1:12.3

and the new book that it inspired called Big Reds Mercy, the shooting of Deborah Cotton

1:18.2

and a story of race in America. Mark, always good to have you on. I never imagine it would be on

1:23.4

something like this, but now I know. Welcome back to WNYC. Thank you, Brian. It's always a pleasure

1:29.2

to be with you all. And honestly, for all we've talked, it's only ever been about climate issues,

1:34.5

really, and I had no idea you were shot in a mass shooting. So before we get into the shooting

1:39.6

and the larger issues you explore in the book, would you set the scene for us? What was this parade and what

1:45.9

was happening as that brass band was playing that Whitney Houston song? Sure, this was a second-line

1:52.6

parade here in New Orleans, and second-line parades are an iconic ritual, even a sacred one, I would

1:59.5

say. They go back to the burial rights that enslaved

2:04.2

Africans brought with them when they first started arriving in Louisiana back in 1722.

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