Forgive & Forget?

Mortification of Spin

Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals

Religion & Spirituality

4.4 • 879 Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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In light of recent tragic events, Carl and Todd engage in a thought-provoking discussion on the complexities of forgiveness in the wake of tragedy. They reflect on the recent memorial service for Charlie Kirk and the profound act of forgiveness demonstrated by his widow, Erica Kirk. The conversation delves into the nature of forgiveness, the challenges it presents, and its implications within the Christian faith. I think oftentimes what we mean when we say we forgive someone who's done something wicked to us is not that we want them to escape justice, it's not that we think that, well, now we can have a perfectly reconciled relationship with that person. But oftentimes what we mean, and I'm sure it's what Erica Kirk meant, was, by God's grace, I'm not going to hate this person, and I'm not going to be overcome with bitterness, and I'm going to pray for this person's soul. – Todd Pruitt Join us as we explore the intersection of faith, justice, and the human experience in this deeply relevant topic. We awarded three listeners a copy of Chris Brauns’ book, Unpacking Forgiveness: Biblical Answers for Complex Questions and Deep Wounds, courtesy of Crossway Publishing. Congratulations to Sarah D. from Bridgewater, VA, Karl S. from Live Oak, TX, and Ping Y. from Johns Creek, GA!

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0:00.0	Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.
0:29.2	Let's join this week's conversation.
0:31.6	Thank you. Welcome to Mordification of spin. My name's Carl Truman, a still professor at Grove City College in Western Pennsylvania, but temporarily seconded to the University of Notre Dame as the Bush Family Research Fellow at the Center for Citizenship and Constitutional Government.
1:08.1	Here, as always, with my good friend of many years and Podcoast, co-host of many years,
1:14.9	Reverend Todd Pruitt, Pastor of Covenant, Presbyterian Church, that's a congregation in the PCA,
1:21.2	located in Harrisonburg, Virginia. Good as always to be with you, Todd.
1:26.9	Good to see you, Carl. Now, the Bush family, is this,
1:31.2	is this as in former president's Bush? Or is this a different Bush? It's a, it's a, it's a,
1:38.0	the Tim Bush is a very big Catholic philanthropist, hence the Notre Dame connection.
1:45.3	And those familiar with Catholic University of America will know that it's the Bush Business School at CUA.
1:52.3	So Tim Bush, and it's a B-U-S-C-H.
1:55.9	Gotcha.
1:56.8	Tim Bush and his wife, Stephanie, are very, very kind and generous donors to a variety of philanthropic causes in the United States.
2:05.1	And they have established this fellowship at Notre Dame, which I am very fortunate to be a recipient of this year.
2:14.7	So I can't imagine that Tim, I know Tim, but I can't imagine he listens to the podcast,
2:18.8	but there's a shout at. I will see him in a couple of weeks to express my gratitude in person.
2:24.0	Yeah, I mean, you know, getting a little ecumenical on us, the Bush family, that's good, right?
2:28.4	It's interesting, just as an aside, I've become aware of the last few years how different
2:33.9	how different Protestants and
2:37.3	Catholic cultures are in terms of philanthropy. Protestants tend to donate to missions, which is
2:44.1	completely understandable. Catholics have a much broader vision. I was somewhere recently,
2:48.9	and the person running it said to me, you know, in the audience,
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