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The Mona Charen Show

Forget ‘Double Tap.’ The First Strike Was a Crime (w/ Rosa Brooks)

The Mona Charen Show

The Bulwark

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Georgetown professor Rosa Brooks discusses the legality (or the lack) of Trump’s drug boat attacks as well as the bonkers National Security Strategy document.

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0:00.0

I actually thought for a while there when there was talk of a possible meeting between Trump and Maduro, it was going to end up being like the Trump Mumdani meeting.

0:06.1

And, you know, Trump would come out of it saying, you know, Maduro, he's really not a, he's a really pretty good guy.

0:10.8

He's a real good.

0:11.2

That could still happen, Rosa.

0:15.0

Okay.

0:19.9

Welcome to the Mona Charon Show. I'm delighted to have you with us today. And I am delighted also to welcome this week's guest. Rosa Brooks is professor of law at Georgetown University, where she specializes in international law and national security law, among many other things.

0:40.1

I think she teaches an enormous number of different legal topics.

0:43.9

She is also an adjunct senior fellow at West Point's Modern War Institute, and also a founder of the

0:53.5

Leadership Council for Women in National Security.

0:58.1

Welcome, Rosa Brooks.

0:59.6

Hi, Mona.

1:00.3

Thank you for having me on.

1:01.3

I should say, by the way, that I think my stint at the Modern War Institute is over.

1:05.6

And I emphasize that because I don't want to attract the attention of the, you know,

1:10.7

he who cannot be named to West Point.

1:14.9

And, you know, decide a missile strike on West Point or something.

1:18.8

Yes, exactly.

1:20.1

I'm no longer affiliated with Best Point. Don't be mean to them.

1:23.9

Right. Gotcha. Okay. Thanks for that clarification.

1:47.8

Before we get into drone strikes and other things this administration is doing and the legal implications of all of that, I saw in your bio that you served as a reserve police officer in the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department. Tell us about that.

1:55.0

Yes, I did. For almost five years, it was fascinating. D.C. has a kind of unusual program.

2:04.7

In many places, volunteers just, you know, answer the phones or help direct traffic. But DC, volunteers can go through the entire police academy. You get, you become a sworn law enforcement officer. They give

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