We cannot have pure allies and pure enemies anymore.

There are areas where we very much need to view China as a partner.

Climate change is one of them.

Nuclear proliferation is one of them.

We can't just say we're writing off China.

And I think the difficulty in Myanmar that we have shows what happens when you don't

bring people in to trade relationships.

Then you don't have many tools at your disposal, right?

I think that is why it's been almost impossible to articulate a coherent explanation

of US foreign policy for such a long time because segregating out those buckets where we really need to work with other countries

versus the things that are red lines that we cannot allow other countries to cross.

It's really difficult and confusing.

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Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Pant suit politics.

We are so thrilled to be here with you today as we tackle foreign policy.

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