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Fordow The Mop Tolls

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

The United States has bombed Iranian nuclear facilities—an extraordinary military action authorized by a President who campaigned against prolonged wars. In today’s interview, national security expert Michael Allen, host of NatSec Matters, offers insight into the Israeli strikes, Iran’s capacity to respond, and what Trump’s decision means for the region and the world. Plus, we weigh the risks of a quagmire against the reactions from MAGA loyalists who only just learned how to pronounce “Fordow.” Trump’s instincts are erratic, his rhetoric reckless—but the strikes appear largely effective, and now the world waits to see what comes next. Produced by Corey WaraProduction Coordinator Ashley KhanEmail us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://advertising.libsyn.com/TheGist⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to The Gist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to The Gist Youtube Page: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_bh0wHgk2YfpKf4rg40_g⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to The Gist Instagram Page: ⁠⁠⁠⁠GIST INSTAGRAM⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow The Gist List at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Pesca⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Profundities | Mike Pesca | Substack Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's Monday, June 23, 2025 from Peachfish Productions.

0:07.8

It's the GIST I'm Mike Peska.

0:10.0

If Donald Trump is behind it, I'm against it.

0:14.1

It's not the worst heuristic in the world, but it's also not the best.

0:18.8

I believe that the attack on Iran without further

0:22.5

escalation is possible. But when Donald J. Trump and his DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, and his

0:28.7

sect-def, Pete Hegseth, and his vice president, J.D. Vance, are the key figures making these

0:35.2

decisions. I do not trust Donald Trump. Then again, those people I named

0:40.9

are simultaneously poster children for Donald Trump's propensity to surround himself with the

0:47.0

unqualified, but also the exact people who would rein in his instincts for escalation. Here was J.D. Vance on this week,

0:56.8

this week. And so I'd say to people who are worried about a protracted military conflict is,

1:01.4

number one, the president, more than anybody, is worried about protracted military conflicts.

1:06.7

That is not what we're getting ourselves involved in.

1:09.2

Great. That is key. Iran is tottering, and there are many voices saying now is the time to decapitate them,

1:15.2

to turn the mullahs into posthumulus.

1:18.4

Tempting though it is and promising, though, a world without an Islamic revolutionary state would be,

1:23.6

I do not think this can be our project, our guided project.

1:27.9

I'm glad that the administration emphasized that, as you heard in the J.D. Vance interview.

1:33.5

Oh, wait.

1:34.4

Then a few hours later, the top of the administration trothed.

1:38.3

It is not politically correct to use the term regime change.

1:41.6

But if the current regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't

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