The point that she made was that the emotional baggage, do I have to shoot this person?

Because of the repercussions of what happens in life after that, did I really do everything

I could do before I shot this person?

And I think that's something that people don't really grasp sometimes.

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Hey, welcome into Gun Talk Nation. Today on Gun Talk Nation, we have some special guests in the studio.

We have a special event going on with CCW Safe. You know CCW Safe.

It is, for lack of a better word, concealed carrier insurance.

I'm sure they have their own way of describing it.

But what we're doing is we're running media members through the scenarios that you've probably seen on our first person defender show.

So let's welcome them in.

Julie Gallup. Fred Massison, welcome in. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here. Guys, thanks for being here.

That's great. We, okay, so let's just jump right in. I mean, Julie, you're a legendary pro

shooter, Fred, a legendary gun writer guy, but former law enforcement, right?

That was a reserve officer.

Okay, okay.

And it was kind of fun because it seems like a lot of the people here have not done the force-unforce training, scenario-based training type.

So if you've done some of it, I imagine, my friend.

I mean, Julie, let's start with you.

I mean, just talk about today. What do you think? I went to MP school. So I had a very different

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