Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, your You Can't Be Me, I'm a podcast host of music news and

criticism.

It me, John Caramonica. Monica. I can't stop thinking about if and when I die for it now I see that if and when

our truly different cries for if it's purely panic and when is solemn sorrow and

one invades today while the other spies tomorrow we're surrounded.

And we're hounded.

There's no above a under or around it.

For above his blind belief, and under his sword his sleeve

and around his scientific miracle is pick above its sleeve. for if and when we go above the question still remains.

I was still in love and is impossible we feel the same.

And that's what going on the stars. So take my wonder, but until that time I'll try to sing this.

If I get most then they won't know.

You kids like rock and roll, you kids like the bands,

you kids like arenas? Well 21 Pilots is here for you. That is a song

called Morph which is allegedly a rock song which is on the new 21 Pilots album which is called Trench. 21 Pilots are a popular rock band or are they?

I don't know. I don't know. I want to talk about rock music which is not a sentence I really ever thought I would say in my in my adult career in life

But a lot of weird things are happening in rock and roll. There are rock bands that look like bands but don't sound like rock bands,

and then there are rock bands that are not actually bands.

And then there are rock bands that sound exactly like old rock bands, and I don't know why they

exist.

And then if you look at Billboard, I don't really know what Rock is.

I know who knows what Rock is. My three guests, they know. It's the 20 second pilot New York Times pop music editor

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