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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

For the Love of Therapy: Are You Happy? Dr. Sara Kuburic Wants Us To Stop Lying To Ourselves and Take Ownership of Our Choices

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 November 2023

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

It’s time for this week’s podcast therapy session and we’ve got another great therapist in our “office” as part of our For the Love of Therapy series. Dr. Sara Kuburic is an existential psychotherapist, author and the force behind The @Millennial.Therapist account on Instagram. Dr. Kuburic believes that each of us is a free and responsible agent who determines our own development through acts of our will. Though this isn’t always a popular view to take, as we often look to outside forces to blame for our unhappiness, Dr. Kuburic wants us to understand that we have this amazing opportunity to engage in life and we can take ownership and responsibility over our choices. In that vein, she asks a very important question: how much of what we deal with in life happens to us, and how much of it did we inflict on ourselves? (that’s a fun thing to spend a few hours pondering). But as a therapist, she helps people find tools to address whatever stage of life they’re–maybe it is a bad situation and you just can’t change it–but as she likes to ask: “what can you change or how can you change your attitude so the situation is less painful for you?” In addition to thinking about our lives existentially, Jen and Dr. Kuburic also discuss the concept of self-loss and how we can deceive ourselves into thinking we’re living the life we want, when our bodies are telling us otherwise by devolving into depression, anxiety and panic.

Jen and Dr. Kuburic get honest about:

  • What it’s like when you love the “idea” of who you are more than who you actually are–and how to stop lying to yourself

  • What happens when not making a change in your life actually becomes more painful than changing

  • Realizing that our bodies do have limits–no matter how strong you think you are or how strong you’ve been—your body is sending up red flags with feelings of anxiousness, fear or panic for seemingly no reason

  • How sometimes our dedication to make something work can be so all consuming–even if that thing isn’t the right thing for our lives and hat commitment, which is normally a good quality, can lead us to our weakest moments if we don’t face up to the truth

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I think I got into psychology to try to understand what makes humans tick and try to understand my own human experience.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“We get to engage in life; we can take ownership, we can take responsibility, we can make choices, and I think that that's really how I see human suffering. My question is always, ‘how much of it happened to you? How much of it did you inflict on yourself?’” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“I think if you're stagnant, that's where the loss happens. That's when we overcommit to one version of ourselves. When you’re not being stagnant, you are always being fluid–I think you’re understanding the assignment, which is constant creation and adaptation of yourself to fit your experiences, your context, and what life is asking of you in that moment.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“Stop assuming you know someone well enough to stop paying attention.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“I think having someone that I've known for eight years sit me down and just be like, ‘Hey, are you happy,” was the first time anyone, including myself, asked that question.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“Someone else made the mess and now you have to clean it up when it wasn't your mess. But, the reason you're cleaning it up is because you deserve not to live in a mess, not because they deserve for you to clean it up. It's for you.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

“Until we understand what the consequences of our actions or inactions are, it's going to be really hard to take the next steps.” - Dr. Sara Kuburic

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

It's On Me: Accept Hard Truths, Discover Yourself and Change Your Life by Dr. Sara Kuburic

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s USA Today Column

Guest’s Links:

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Website

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Instagram

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Facebook

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Twitter

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Pinterest

Dr. Sara Kuburic’s Substack

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey everybody, Jen Hammaker here, your host at the For the Love podcast.

0:07.5

You guys welcome to the show.

0:09.2

I'm glad you're here.

0:11.5

I was certain that I was here for this interview today.

0:14.8

We're in a series called For the Love of Therapy.

0:17.6

We've had so many therapists on the show, but we decided to dedicate an entire series

0:25.0

to a conversation with therapists and just feels timely right now.

0:29.8

While so many of us are just picking through every manner of loss or change or sorrow both

0:41.1

personally and in the world.

0:43.2

Dr. Sarah Kubrick is known maybe for more so as being the very popular millennial therapist

0:51.4

on Instagram, but she's of course more than that.

0:54.4

She calls herself an existential psychotherapist.

0:57.0

She's a consultant.

0:58.0

She's a writer.

0:59.0

She's the columnist for USA Today on top of being a nomad, which we're going to talk about

1:04.6

in a second.

1:05.6

She is the author of a really great book, Her debut book called It's On Me, Accept Hard

1:12.0

Trifts Discover Yourself and Change Your Life, which also we're going to discuss just

1:17.6

came out in September.

1:18.6

So Dr. Kubrick has lived in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, currently Australia,

1:25.5

and all of that really, it's just the last six years.

1:28.2

So she has a really interesting and beautiful wealth of knowledge about humanity just from

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