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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

For the Love of Peace: Finding Peace Within Our Grief: Sal & Im’s Tips for Good Mourning

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

In our ongoing pursuit of peace during the holidays, we’re tackling something this week that we might forget others are facing during the holidays (or perhaps we are trying to trudge through ourselves); grief. Everyone's grief journey is unique, but during a season where “joy” is being pushed 24/7, our grief can feel like it’s 10 times its normal size as we struggle to “show up” in the ways we usually do during the holidays. Our guests this week are here to remind us of several important things, including; it’s okay to grieve during the holidays, and it's perfectly okay to take it slow, to pause, to rest. There's no "right" way to grieve. And that’s why we’re grateful to have some return visitors to the show, the hosts of the Good Mourning Podcast - Sal and Im. Sally Douglas and Imogene Carn met in 2019 after their mothers suddenly passed away just months apart. Because of their shared grief experience, they met in a grief group and decided to launch a podcast together. They know that grief is intense. It hits you physically, emotionally, spiritually. And even during the holidays, during what should be happy moments. The community they’ve created around the topic of grieving brings people together during what can be a really lonely time and reminds them, they’re not alone. There are others out there who know exactly what you're going through. And it's okay to reach out, to seek help, and to take care of your mental health. Sal and Im give us coping tools, show us how to establish boundaries when we’re grieving and also remind us; the pain does lessen over time. This is your journey, and you get to decide the pace. It's not a race. It's a process. So, take it one day at a time. You're doing just fine. * * * Thought-Provoking Quotes “The festive season is a time when there can be a lot of pressure to put on a brave face and to be happy and joyful. But if you are experiencing any type of loss, it's really hard, it can be really lonely and it can really amplify the things that you are missing. It's tough. I think just give yourself that permission to feel and know that you don't have to put on a brave face all the time.” - Sally Douglas “It's really important to honor wherever you're at and try not to judge yourself. If you feel like you want to slow down or you just want to sleep for an entire day, even if it's Christmas Day, honor that and just let yourself be wherever you are in that moment without judging yourself.” - Imogen Carn “We hear a lot from grievers in our community that the second year is harder than the first year. And that can take a lot of people by surprise because we anticipate that all the firsts are going to be harder, but it takes a long time to even process such a significant loss that's happened in your life.” - Imogen Carn “It's a tough job supporting someone you love who is in deep pain and I think often we just want to fix them and we can't. We offer up all these cliches and platitudes to try and make them feel better. If there's anything that you take away from this conversation, please try to avoid saying platitudes.” - Imogen Carn “I volunteer every Christmas morning at a lunch for people who are homeless. It's giving back, but it’s also something that's outside of you and your grief and it's a way to meet people. It's a way to connect, it's a sense of purpose that can be a really good thing to do if you are struggling. Maybe it's volunteering an hour of your time and you might be surprised at how that does help.” - Sally Douglas Resources Mentioned in This Episode: For the Love Episode with Sal & Im Good Mourning by Sally Douglas and Imogen Carn The Golden Bachelor Guest’s Links: The Good Mourning Podcast Sal & Im’s Website Sal & Im’s Instagram Sal & Im’s Youtube Sal & Im’s Facebook Connect with Jen! Jen’s website Jen’s Instagram Jen’s Twitter Jen’s Facebook Jen’s YouTube To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:15.4

Hi everybody, Jen Hatmaker here, your host of the For the Love Podcast, welcome to the show and I'm so very glad you're here. I love this series. I just love it. I love it almost as much as my two guests today. We're in a series called For the Love of Peace. I don't think I

0:21.6

need to explain that. We're just in need of it right now. We're in need of it always,

0:25.7

but certainly this time of year and certainly just with the world right now.

0:33.2

And so we really wanted our show to be a place of like rest and respite and peace here at the end of the year.

0:43.0

Now, I think you know how special it is for me

0:46.2

when I have guests back on the show

0:48.6

for a second or even a third time,

0:50.7

because then we get to go more in-depth on topics we started discussing the first time, but have way more places to keep going.

1:00.0

Then of course we get to know our guests better. We get to ask questions that we ran out of time the first go around. So that is today.

1:08.3

I hope you remember our guests, Salin M. We had them on the show a little over two years ago. They are hosts of the Good

1:17.3

Morning Podcast and Morning M-O-U-R-N-I-G. Good- good morning podcast they were in our elephant in the room series back in early

1:29.2

22 and they just are amazing. We love them. Your response to them the first time was really, really strong.

1:40.0

That particular episode charted really high.

1:44.0

And we always pay attention to that because that's you telling us what you want to hear.

1:49.0

So we are always, always noticing what has a lot of traction in our community and they certainly did and so as you know obviously the whole point of the series is to bring a sense of calm to the holiday season this year.

2:05.8

But there is a specific group of people that need peace, maybe especially, right now, and that is the grievers. So whether you've lost someone

2:19.3

near and dear to you and this is I don't know maybe your first holiday season without them or it could be that you're

2:26.9

mourning a friendship or a relationship of some kind or it could even be like the loss of a job or a dream or a place or any of it, really, any loss that creates grief.

2:40.3

It almost feels doubly hard during holidays, right?

2:43.2

Where everyone's kind of expecting or even pretending

2:47.2

that everything is to be filled with happiness,

2:50.4

when it isn't.

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